May 31st, 2006

26 + 29 = 69er

Last time I left you on the 29er front I was just off into the shed to fetch out a 26″ front wheel.

It had been suggested that the 29er handled so ponderously because the fork offset was designed for use with 26″ wheels. I figured that fitting a 26″ wheel in there, coincidentally steepening the angles a little, might help.

So I pulled out a 26″ front wheel and tried it. The worlds second 69er.

Instead of looking like a Chopper or a Stingray it looked odd, but definitely no worse than any 96ers out there. Indeed, from the seattube forward it looked a whole lot better. My wife suggested I try two 26″ wheels in there. Not a bad idea. I could ride the bike with the same geometry and angles and the only difference would be bottom-bracket height and fork trail.

I would have liked to ride it’s 26″ incarnation with the same tyres as the 29er, so that the only difference between the bikes was the metalwork in the wheels. But I didn’t have 60 quid to spare and the shops were shut. So I picked some tyres with the same carcass width and had done.

A quick rubber change later, and the wheels were in. Hey! It looked like a well-proportioned bike again. Maybe the bottom bracket height was a bit low compared to what you expect, but it certainly didn’t look that odd.

So I threw the bike and the 29″ wheels in the car and headed off to reride Saturdays trails.

First of all I rode them in it’s 26″ incarnation.

At the front end it was noticeably quicker steering, like my old Spot or the Rocky Mountain Hammer when fitted with Pace RC-30s. Sharp then, but not twitchy.

The rear end was likewise transformed. It had some life, some snap, some feeling! Unsurprisingly, it didn’t smooth the trail out as much as the 29er wheel. It was also less smooth than my wife’s regular 26″ wheeled Spot which runs the exact same chainstay length. Which only tells us that frame material makes a difference. Tell us something we didn’t know!

fabulous
yes, that is 26″ in 29er forks

On the rocky uphills it suffered no loss in traction. On the final climb, I not only rode it past the point where it had stalled on 29″ wheels, it made it clean to the top. Why? Because I could now choose where I wanted the bike to go.

Now I was faced with the downhills, and I wondered briefly about the low bottom bracket height. I’d not had an pedal strikes on the way up, would it ground on the way down? Well, not on the steps it didn’t, so off to the more technical downhill I headed - the Ice Cream Run for those who care about such things. It’s not World Cup DH course technical, but it’ll do. It just felt more manoeuvrable underneath me, I could change lines, I could unweight or lift the front end better, and in the air I could make tiny corrections. With only 80mm of travel the forks had a busier time of it with the small front wheel but the lower unstrung weight and fatter rubber than my normal tyres meant things didn’t get out of hand. A pair of Fox Vanillas on there and I’ve have been laughing. The rear end bounced around a bit, but followed eagerly enough, and the fatter rubber than I normally run made things better than my regular hardtail.

Back at the car, I checked no-one was around to point and laugh, swapped the rear wheel for the 29er version, and headed back out on the same trails.

At the front the steering was now bang on. If the regular 29er steered like this I’d have been a whole lot happier with it from the start.

At the back that old sluggish feeling was, um, back. Over whoops, where I wanted to maintain momentum down one side to get me up the next the 29″ rear wheel definitely helped.

At the top of one climb I looked back and I could see where my two trails rode side by side. The 26″ rear wheel trail showed marked treads where the tyre had dug in as my power had pulsed through the transmission. The 29er trail quite clearly showed how these power lumps had been smoothed out. Again I cleaned the final climb.

Only the downhill remained. Now here I have to say that of all three 26/29/69er incarnations this was the one that rocked! The forks could still have done with more travel, some of the manoeuvrability was gone due to the gyroscope effect of the bigger rear wheel, but at least I could pick lines and unweight the front. And the rear end did an excellent job of smoothing the trail. Not 2.75″ of rear travel smoothness, but definitely better than a pure 26er hardtail.

Ideally I would have now tried the bike in a 96er incarnation, but I was running short of time and needed to get home. I may get round to this, but right now it seems a little pointless.

Conclusions?

I’m more convinced than ever that if there’s a benefit to be had from 29″ wheels they’re best at the rear. Slap some longer travel forks on the front with a 26″ wheel for manoeuvrability, wheel strength, lack of toe overlap, proper length headtubes, and gain the 29er smoothness at the rear on the downs.

Of course, you could just use a slightly longer chainstay on your steel 26″ hardtail to get mostly the same effect.

6 Responses to “26 + 29 = 69er”

  1. Mick Says:

    My goodness.

    I sneak a quick look at the site before going home and have an essay to read.

    Ignoring all the 29er hype, one thing that seems to come out is 26″ wheel + steep head angle + longish chainstays seems to improve things.

    Our best handling bike is Alison’s homebuild singlespeed. 1998 ish suspension corrected Giant aluminium frame (pretty light), very short Pace MXC forks (c1996) and a good +10mm faced off the bottom of the headtube (which steepens things some more). Chainstays also pretty long at 17″ (gear ratio dependant).

    This combination of short fork, steep head, longish back end and stiff frame gives a brilliant ride - one of those bikes you can rail waaay over in the singletrack, feel the exact moment it will wash out and then just kick or power wheelie it back upright again.

    I really think there is a hole in the market for a quality 60mm travel fork with a very short axle to crown race length using latest technology in seals / materials / valving. I’ve been riding mostly rigid singlespeed for a while now and going back to her bike does show that a few inches of good travel is all that UK riding really needs.

    Or are we just hopelessly trying to paddle in the wrong direction?

    p.s. you must give us a shout if out Hoghton way in an evening - plenty of cheeky trails.

  2. Nick Says:

    Hoghton BottomsI hate lazy handling bikes. I want something that will spit me off if I relax, but handles singletrack like a dream when you’re paying attention. As the Psylos on my Spot start to annoy me more and more I’m very tempted to go back to my Pace RC-30s. Very short axle-to-crown, they make the front handle like a whippet on speed.

    Cheers for the offer of rides round Hoghton. I haven’t ridden round there since I did my week of riding through all the fords in Lancashire. A quick look on Google Earth has shown much promise.

  3. Mick Says:

    Must pester Adrian Carter to make some 50mm forks.

    I shamefully admit I never bother using the ford - the 26″ wide bridge handrails at handlebar height are an equal challenge. And I can’t swim very well. And it mostly has that still waters run deep look about it. And it is hardly a glistening clean mountain stream. And and and…

    Away at SSUK this weekend and possibly camping in the lakes for a few days on the way back. Otherwise mostly home in the week and one or other of us would be up for a pedal. Drop me a mail and we’ll sort something.

    Lots of chunks of track with quiet road links. Not great but good for an evening or as a link to get to Roddlesworth etc. Some legal stuff under / over motorways to “Pippin Street” / Brindle. Also round back of Hoghton Tower then into Witton Park or skiddy rocky bridleway to Nabs Head etc etc

  4. Nick Says:

    I’ll see you at SSUK this weekend then. Do we have to use a coded phrase of introduction?

  5. SimonC Says:

    With all these variables, have you considered wheel weight? I brought an On-One Inbred 29er to play around with the 29″ concept, and found it handled ponderously slowly. Weighing the wheels (Hope / On-One on 319s with Bontrager Jones ACX), I wasn’t suprised.
    So I put on the wheels from the ‘cross bike - admittedly a little different (Chris King classics on Open Pros w/ Specialized Houffalize Pros). Now, that was an entirely different matter - it’s now whippy and quite fun. It still handles differently and I’m trying to get to the bottom of that (note I’m still ambivalent on the 29er concept, just messing around), but it certainly improved things. Having an additional 300g at the rim (inc the tire) over the 517s and 26″ tires on my other mountain bikes makes quite a difference.

  6. Nick Says:

    It’s not just wheel weight. 29er wheels are quantifiably weaker and more flexy than 26er wheels. Oh, you can compensate to minimise the difference, but you can then apply the same tricks to 26er wheels and restore it.

    I didn’t bother putting my Pompino wheels in there because they’re not disc compatible - and I’d only end up with a ponderous version of a bike I already have.

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