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22 Responses to “Can you say “Fugly”?”

1. Alex Says:
   March 27th, 2006 at 8:00 am

   Not even Paragon? How about the Ti Paragon ones Moots uses?

   http://www.solitudecycles.com > quite a nice picture I think you’ll agree

   I personally prefer track ends (in stainless) :)

   Alex

2. Tom Says:
   March 27th, 2006 at 8:09 am

   You are not alone.
   Never seen a nice one yet. Good solution look terrible.
   The Rohloff (I think) one on Phils gayer was ok.

3. miketually Says:
   March 27th, 2006 at 9:29 am

   The Paragon one looks ok. It’s pretty much a track drop out with the end closed. You’d probably struggle to see the adjustable dropout on a built bike.

   They don’t look any worse than gears. All those cables and dangly bits…

4. Nick Says:
   March 27th, 2006 at 9:55 am

   Nope, not even the Paragon ones.

   Too much in the way of bolts and faff.

   Give me nice, clean, non-chromed, horizontal dropouts any day.

5. shaggy Says:
   March 27th, 2006 at 8:01 pm

   http://www.nicolai.net/imgs/range-06/nuc-tst/nuc-tst-det-002.jpg

   ok so this on the back of a downhill bike, and when you remove the wheel you leave the disk and sprocket in place. Yes this one is fugly but to me the principle is a lot better than the typical 5mm-plate-with-a-couple-of-m6-bolts fayre.

6. Nick Says:
   March 28th, 2006 at 9:16 am

   Hmm.

   Good idea from an engineering/functional viewpoint and still not so fugly as most sliding dropouts.

   Why am I not surprised that it’s a Nicolai?

7. Steve Says:
   March 29th, 2006 at 2:21 am

   Australian custom builder Baum (http://jbcycles.com.au) is turning out bikes with these, which I think aren’t quite nice (nice enough to buy one anyway ;).

8. Steve Says:
   March 29th, 2006 at 3:05 am

   Ok, There was supposed to be an image in there.
   Here’s a link to one instead:
   http://stevencaddy.com/baum/images/028.jpg

9. Nick Says:
   March 29th, 2006 at 8:45 am

   Now that’s nicer - almost as nice as the Pace removable dropouts.

   But…

   1) it’s still not as neat as an old fashioned forward facing horizontal dropout, where you could align the wheel using two little screws that weren’t under tension.

   Hmm, how come in days of yore quick releases were enough to hold a wheel in place?

   2) it’s yet more bolts to shake loose and lose in the middle of nowhere.

   And damn those three little dots.

10. TC Says:
    March 29th, 2006 at 11:37 am

    Whats wrong with EBB’s, a much nicer engineering solution I would suggest?

11. Nick Says:
    March 29th, 2006 at 2:27 pm

    Yup, though my experience of the Bushnell type is lots of creaking and Brant repairing one with a mallet early one morning during SITS.

    I really like the idea of the White Industries Eno Eccentric hub though it’s not so disc friendly.

12. Tom Says:
    March 29th, 2006 at 4:23 pm

    I’m not keen on EBBs.
    Difficult to adjust on the trail. Bushnell need a 4mm allen key and a pin spanner. Others need a 5mm probably and no doubt a pin spanner to turn them.
    And yes I have needed to adjust one of mine on a 15mile ride when running fixed. I didn’t but it needed doing.
    Extra maintenance. Need cleaning and greasing/copperslipping every now and again and I generally have to kick mine out of the Inbred. It goes in no problem.
    For me if I want discs. Track ends and slotted disc mount please.

13. TC Says:
    March 29th, 2006 at 10:23 pm

    I think you will find you need a 5mm and a rock for a Bushnell, don’t have a shortage of either of them around here.
    I always used to find that if I did tracknuts up tight enough to hold then they ended up indenting the frame and do that often enough and fine adjusting becomes a right pain. As for slotted disc mounts on rear facing drop outs- don’t you have to dismantle everything when you take the rear wheel out?

14. Nick Says:
    March 30th, 2006 at 8:48 am

    My own experience of Bushnells is why we run crank extracting bolts on the tandem.

15. TC Says:
    March 30th, 2006 at 9:53 am

    Hmmm, I wondered why they came as standard on the tandem and suppose if I had that Turner I would be a bit less incline to hit it with a large rock.

    Tom, does your Bushnell body not have a blank 5mm socket in it for appying tension, means you don’t need a pin spanner.

16. Tom Says:
    March 30th, 2006 at 9:59 am

    I don’t think so. Mine’s one of the Inbred ones. It has a 4mm bolt in the middle then a hole either side that wouldn’t fit a 5mm.
    I must say though my Bushnell has been superb. It did creak for a while but then that could have been the Middleburn cranks that snapped a year later and I’ve never had any more creaking :0) The bizzare thing was the creaking stopped each time I slathered the EBB in coppaslip.
    Oh and pics of the EBB here.
    http://lyxus.net/csc

17. Nick Says:
    March 30th, 2006 at 10:01 am

    The bizzare thing was the creaking stopped each time I slathered the EBB in coppaslip.

    And removed and refitted the cranks.

18. Tom Says:
    March 30th, 2006 at 10:09 am

    I never removed the drive side and it snapped here.
    http://lyxus.net/csd

19. Nick Says:
    March 30th, 2006 at 12:37 pm

    Grrr, monster pedalling forces :-)

20. Steve Says:
    April 2nd, 2006 at 11:48 pm

    FWIW, the sliding dropouts have done me well. Haven’t worked their way loose or jammed up in three years of pretty heavy riding. there’s a recessed grub screw that you can’t see in the pic above which positions the dropout/disc mount fore and aft, and two 5mm bolts just clamp it all together.

    Prior to discovering these guys I was looking at a Busnell solution but was warned off by people who had them complaining of slippage and chronic creaking. The other nifty thing about removable / sliding drops is that you can have two drive-side dropouts — a normal one, and a nice, clean hangerless one for running SS.

    I think Kona have did a fairly good job their Explosifs with the sliding dropouts too.

21. Nick Says:
    April 3rd, 2006 at 2:03 pm

    Haven’t worked their way loose or jammed up in three years of pretty heavy riding.

    Argh, you’ve cursed them now. Next ride out they’re coming loose.

22. Nick Says:
    April 11th, 2006 at 9:31 am

    A new champ from Shaggy

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/apr06/seaotter06/tech/?id=tech1/Trek_69er_sliding_dropouts

    The Trek 69er. I’m even suspicious of the name, it’s probably some godawful 26/29er hybrid.

    It is! Front wheel 29 inch, but suspension to boot, and a standard 26″ unsuspended rear .

    None of the supposed 29er grip, or rolling benefits at the rear.

    Oxymoronic (or should that be moronic?) 29er and suspension up front.

    Slap that designer upside the head with a dose of common sense.

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